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It made people more sensitive to others, more empathetic. So the best people at Google were young people who had gone through some suffering at some point and they emerged out of that. [David] Right. It allows me to do this interview with you. I mean, I used to stutter so badly I couldn’t even be in, I couldn’t do anything. I had no selfesteem at all. Through suffering, but recognizing. You have to recognize what you’ve gone through. And that right there gave me pride. I realized that very few people could turn upside down what I did. I was able to turn upside down every negative thing in my life, everything, and use it for power. [Vishen] You said suffering is a true test of life. [David] To me it’s one of the biggest tests of life. [Vishen] Now you also said that, you said, Motivation is crap. It’s about drive. I was a scared kid, and I found drive and passion. [David] Yes. The reason why I say motivation is crap because a lot of people will listen to this. And they’ll be motivated. They’ll be fired up. They’ll be so fired up it’s not even funny. But what I realized in life is to have that motivation, motivation is just kindling. It starts the fire. But that kindling, once one raindrop hits that little kindling, it’ll burn out. That’s motivation. So

right now I’m giving you a spark. You’re giving people a spark. There’s a whole bunch of sparks out here. There has to be something that’s deep down inside. So motivation’s like this. If you’re married and your wife is okay, and your bills are paid, and the kids are good, and the dog’s good, if everything is good, you could find some motivation, because while your life is happy, it’s that motherfucker that wakes up in the sewer every fucking day, has nothing to fucking go home to, has nothing. Bills aren’t paid. Doesn’t know where when the fucking next meal’s coming, doesn’t know shit, and still says fuck it, I am going to do what I have to do to get to where the fuck I have to go. That’s the difference between motivation and drive, and then soon, obsession. Obsession makes a person, makes other people, like, so, when you’re around someone that’s obsessed, most people don’t have any fucking idea what to call you. So they call you crazy. They call you crazy because they don’t understand where you’re trying to go, what the fuck you’re trying to do, what you’re trying to be. So to the normal person, which we’re all normal. We’re all very normal. What makes people different is a flip in their fucking mindset. Once they turn that mindset to a point where they no longer want to be so-called normal, that’s who you start to find out that motivation is not enough. It’s not enough. You have to be that person who, no matter what’s going on, if you’re a big time runner, you don’t care what temperature it is. Like, a whole bunch of people I run with, guess what they do every morning? Every night they look to see what the fucking temperature’s going to be tomorrow. [Vishen] Right. [David] What’s the temperature going to be so I, am I going to run inside? Or am I going to run outside? A person that’s obsessed and wants to just get there, they don’t give a fuck what the temperature is. They no longer care, because they know no matter what’s out there, no matter if it’s snowing, if it’s a damn tropical storm, if it’s two or 20 below, they’re going to run. They don’t care. So there’s no need to waste the time to look. I’m just going to go. And that’s how you want to get your mind. It doesn’t matter what the fuck’s out there, what’s in front of me, because a motivated person is going to look, because that weather is going to fucking change their motivation, up or down. Oh, it’s 70 and sunny, I’m motivated. Oh, it’s 30 and a blizzard. Fuck that, I’m going to go inside. An obsessed person doesn’t care. They get the fucking job done. [Vishen] Because they’re obsessed with what? [David] With being great. [Vishen] Obsessed with being great. [David] Whatever great is.

[Vishen] And I love that you’re sharing this because just before we started recording this, Jason Campbell, who’s a host here at Mindvalley. He hosts a show called Impact at Work. He was telling us a funny story about watching your video. So Jason just ran a fricking Spartan Race with four other people from my company in the middle of a typhoon in the Philippines. And while there were travel warnings, do not go to the Philippines, typhoon is about to hit, and many people backed out of that race, fricking Jason decided, fuck it, I’m going to run 23 kilometers, Spartan Race, obstacle course in the middle of a typhoon, after watching you speak about this topic. [David] The power of that, yes, I’m not saying do that. Not. A lot of people get my words, and they twist them all up, and they get all confused. Don’t get confused. What happened in that race for that guy? What happened? On the other end, so this whole thing about suffering. Yeah it sucks really bad, really really bad.